Citing a Newsweek investigation in 2020 that found 600 United Front organizations in the United States, Eftimiades said that if each of the organizations had recruited several people, the CCP could have “at least 20,000 to 30,000 actively working—knowingly or not—on behalf of China.”
As for classic spies, Wilder pointed to the size of China’s top intelligence agency, the Ministry of State Security (MSS), which has an estimated 100,000 employees, around five times the size of the CIA.
He also noted that the MSS is “a dispersed organization.”
“They’re at provincial levels. The Shanghai Bureau of the MSS, for example, is responsible for the United States,” he said adding that different MSS branches have “varying degrees of sophistication.”
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